Currently, the national data base, CODIS, requires input of a certain
number of sites on the human genome - 10 sites or more to enter CODIS and 8 sites to enter into State databases.

During the 6 years that the BPD was investigating this case, it NEVER
submitted the DNA to the FBI's national DNA database, nor to any of the state DNA databases. That was simply WRONG. Irresponsible and morally WRONG.

You have to wonder why they made that choice. Were they really trying to set up the parents? It's a question that needs to be asked.

From what I understand, it seems it wasn't so long ago Mary Keenan actually sat down to really review this case and all the BPD decisions and actions - and she was furious. According to my source, the DA went to Police Chief Mark Beckner and told him one way or another, she would have the case. He could do it this way or fight and - that might have been a very ugly scene.

Bottom line is this - - the DNA is good - - it can be very important in this case. And now it will be entered into the data banks - - the new investigative team could be very busy very soon.

ABOUT TIME!

If this is true, we can eliminated the Asian panty maker

Rainsong

the DNA in the panties can go into the national data bank

I think that the DNA-X may be even better - if I hear I will let you know.

Whatever, the DNA is valuable here - - don't underestimate the possibilities.

My main question is whether Keenan will enter it in the database, or continue the same direction, minus the pressure on the parents,just to avoid Wood's lawsuit.

I don't think Keenan was that hot about BPD's actions...just had to do something to avoid the lawsuit...save the town millions so they can blunder it elsewhere.

"Merritt: .... the DNA that was in JonBenét's underwear that
is mixed or sitting next to a drop of blood is CODIS Certified and could go to the FBI databank now. It has not in the past. If the Ramseys did not commit this crime, it means the killer is still out there and perhaps that killer is in the DNA databank."

My daughter recently asked me if she could apply at the college in Boulder and I said "NO WAY!" I don't want my kids living in that town!

Rainsong

Good thing The BPD doesn't have the case anymore. I trust the new team will follow all leads and the evidence right to SickPuppy's door.

It is true that often databases have curation problems wherein the input data is improperly collected or simply rendered inadequate by later technological developments.

The NCIS is full of names of wanted suspects who all have the same physical features because the inexperienced operators who originally input the data kept hitting the return key to simply put in the default values for height, weight, etc. once they had entered the name of the suspect. So some care for data entry and data validation is appropriate.

I don't think the BPD is protecting any particular suspect, its just that once you start with 'The Parents Did It' and non-matching dna simpy has to be explained away or ignored or something. Sending the dna to a database would provide an identifiable suspect, no matter how remote the BPD thinks those chances are, they didn't want to do it simply because it would be the death knell to thier pet theory. Once the BPD became so wedded to their The Ramseys Are The Killas theory, contrary evidence would only annoy the BPD. DNA=Do Not Antagonize.

Given the absolute unwillingness of the BPD to have submitted dna results it makes one wonder whether these 'statments' or 'rumors' about suspects being excluded by dna results were based on any evidence at all.

I agree on the face of it, the BPD is not directly protecting any particular suspect, but by not attacking this case in a truly diligent way, they ARE in fact protecting everyone associated with the case. Not only are they "protecting" the true killer, but they are preventing EVERYONE from getting out from under the umbrella of suspicion. Finding the killer would be the quickest route to clearing these people and lifting the cloud of suspicion that is following each and every one of them, every day of their lives.

The DNA may not necessarily lead to a definite conclusion, but it and all other elements need to be dealt with in order to begin the process of clearing the muddy waters this case is embroiled in.

I am trying to bump up threads showing how much evidence the new investigators have to work with. There is plenty.

The BPD didn't take in the new panties - I know that. It seems someone lied about having them tested and finding DNA in them that matched the DNA in the panties found on the body.

That DNA will likely match the killer - - I hope the slime has his DNA on file for another case - hope Colorado sets up a database so the DNA from all violent crimes can be compared. Might solve a couple of mysteries.

DNA in one rape test kit was not tested until a suspect was identified and in that California case the positive identification came just after the statute of limitations had run out.

There is a tremendous backlog of dna testing delays.

I don't think the killer of JonBenet Ramsey will turn out to be a frequent child-killer. I think this was a first or second offense type thing. But it is unforgivable for the BPD not to have exerted their best efforts in getting things tested.

In the final chapter I think we'll see clearly that the BPD was responsible in thwarting justice.

The DA is using Lou - but he is not alone. I trust Mary Keenan is doing her best to solve this - putting together a team of honest workers who won't punch out at 5.

The Houston Police Department's Crime Lab has been subjected to an internal investigation and to an investigation by a national forensics society. There are calls for a federal investigation and calls for a grand jury investigation into the nature of the testimony given in several cases.

All 313 dna samples that the HPD contributed to the Texas Dept of Public Safety database have been withdrawn from the database.

The probe has expanded well beyond the original dna testing deficiencies and now includes all areas of the laboratory including the serology department's basic testing of blood types and the ballistic's department's test-firing procedures.

In Houston, there clearly have been problems for a long time and those problems were not solely of a technical nature or a training nature; there had to be people who knew that the crime lab gave "testimony that was good for the prosecution" rather than "testimony that reflected good science".

In Boulder, the police personnel do not seem particularly familiar with proper procedures for taking and handling dna samples, but they don't seem to be totally corrupt and inept. In Boulder it seems to be a worse problem: if they just don't like the implications of the evidence, they ignore it and don't submit it to regional or national databases at all!

I wonder if he would be part of the new team.

Bet if he was he wouldn't dismiss the DNA so easily - - not this sample.

Perhaps this person will commit some other type of crime. Would his DNA be in the banks if it were not a sex crime?

Do sex criminals also tend to commit other crimes for which DNA might be collected?

Virginia is the most likely to collect dna.

Some focus on sex crimes some on crimes of violence and some simply all felonies.

Some are at time of arrest and some only upon conviction. There is usually a provision that an arrestee who is not later convicted will have the dna profile expunged from the database.

The major problem is the backlog of samples.

Many 'rape kits' are not even tested until there is an actual suspect.

Data quality is a problem but its mainly data acquisition that is the real problem.

Its a bit like 'electronically digitizing' all those old fingerprint cards. Atfirst they start with the recent cards, not the old ones because the older cards could well be for convicts already in prison or already dead. Its the same thing with dna. If someone is serving ten years in prison, is there a rush to enter the dna into the database?

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/adams051402.htm

It seems that in my internet travels over the months, in 1996/97 however, I recall the states' listed offenses were different.

Thanks very much. That is an excellent article.

The article also says that there is a huge backlog of rape cases where there is no suspect.

There needs to be more money available to put the DNA from unsolved cases in the computer so they can see when they have a serial offender and track his movements.