Darnay Hoffman is LHP's lawyer. He has my email address - if he objects to this being shared here, all he needs to do is say so and I will delete it. But it has appeared on other forums so I am going to share it here and believe he will have no objections. Feel free to comment. I did my commenting on the sitcom thread and now am off to spend some time with my son who just got home from a New Year's visit with friends.

DEATH OF AN INNOCENT
By John and Patsy Ramsey's Housekeeper:
Linda Hoffmann-Pugh

Chapter One

Who killed JonBenet Ramsey?

How did she die?

Those are the questions most Americans want answered.

And I can answer them.

In fact, I am one of only three people who knows the answer to the terrible question: "Who killed JonBenet Ramsey?"

And who are the other two people who know the answer?

John and Patsy Ramsey, the parents of JonBenet Ramsey

And there is a reason why we know who killed JonBenet.

Unlike other authors who have written books about the case before us, we were actually part of the Ramsey household.

Right up until the day JonBenet died.

But I also know who killed JonBenet Ramsey because I saw John and Patsy Ramsey in their private, unguarded moments. And because I took care of JonBenet as if she were my own child.

But now, because the police have failed miserably in solving the mystery of JonBenet's death, I feel that it is finally time for me to come forward and tell my story.

It is a frightening story with a terrible secret.

The secret is this:

I have no mouth and I must scream.

That's right.

I have no mouth and I must scream!

I have no mouth and yet I must scream the name of JonBenet's killer at the top of my lungs to the rest of the world.

Try to imagine what it is like to know who killed JonBenet Ramsey, and yet have no one to listen to you, or help you do anything about it. That is part of the terrible secret.

No one will help me!

Not the police.

Not the district attorney.

Not even a federal judge.

And yet I know who killed JonBenet Ramsey, just as surely as if I had been there in that dark, awful wine cellar with her and witnessed her murder.

And I will tell you what happened on that dreadful Christmas night.

If you will listen.

But before I can do that, I must briefly tell you about the only two other people who know who murdered JonBenet. They are John and Patsy Ramsey.

While working for the Ramsey family as a housekeeper, I was able to see the interaction between John and Patsy. In the fourteen months I was there, they never once showed the slightest affection for one another.

I never once saw them embrace.

I never once saw them hold hands,

I never once saw them a kiss, or hug, or use words or terms of endearment, or speak to one another with any warmth or tenderness.

Not once.

Not ever!

In fact, I don't think I've ever been around a married couple who looked so uncomfortable together. Or a couple who were as cold to one another, as these two.

There were times when I would not have been surprised to come to work and find that John and Patsy Ramsey had filed for divorce.

On one occasion, while I was working around the Ramsey house, a conversation Patsy Ramsey had with me only confirmed my suspicions that there was "trouble in paradise" in the Ramsey marriage.

Patsy confided to me that she did not enjoy having sexual relations (especially oral sex) with John.

After beating around the bush, Patsy finally asked me for help. Did I have any suggestions? She wanted to enjoy sex with John, but she just couldn't bring herself to do it.

Especially not oral sex.

Was there anything Patsy could do to keep her from thinking about his penis in her mouth and gagging on it?

Well, was there?

Patsy appeared desperate.

Was there anything she could do about the salty sour taste of John's penis, and the pubic hair that would stick in her teeth?

I was astonished.

As a mother of six children, I had never run into that problem.

Quite the contrary.

Before answering Patsy, I took a deep breath, stunned by the completely unexpected nature of Patsy's confession, thought for a minute, and then offered her the only advice a grandmother of ten children could give.

Patsy, I told her, keep thinking about how much you love John and how this is just another way of showing him your love. Make love to his penis as if you were making love to the man.

What else could I say?

Either you love the guy or you don't.

But Patsy's unhappiness and fear of John's penis did not end there. Sometime after Patsy's confession, I came upon her sobbing in the kitchen. When I asked her what was wrong, she explained that she had just spent the night crying her eyes out because John had yelled at her the day before about her being a lousy homemaker and cook. Clearly, there was more to John's anger than an uncooked meal or an unmade bed.

I suspected that the real reason behind John's outburst probably had more to do with his unsucked penis than his uncooked pot roast.

Remarkably, Patsy seemed genuinely upset by his criticism and she was more emotional than I think I have ever seen her.

Later, when appearing before the Boulder grand jury investigating the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, I spoke at length about the trouble I thought the Ramsey marriage was experiencing.

I told the grand jury that in my opinion, based on my personal observations while working for the them, I could honestly say that the Ramseys did not appear to be a happily married couple.

On the contrary, they seemed held together, like lots of other unhappy marriages, by their children.

Without their son Burke, and their daughter JonBenet, it is my belief that John and Patsy would have divorced many years ago.

I also told the grand jury that while Patsy could be kind and even thoughtful, she was one of the strangest people I have ever met.

By way of example, I told the grand jury that while cleaning out and organizing her vast number of purses - one of my tasks every Friday - Patsy took me aside and explained that she had gone to her local church, had members of her congregation pray over her, and the next day found that doctors had declared her miraculously "cured" of stage-four ovarian cancer.

But that wasn't all.

Patsy also had visions.

She confided in me that John's deceased daughter from his first marriage appeared before her to tell her that an angel was coming to cure her of cancer. Patsy believed her dead step-daughter's message was true and that the angel sent her cancer into remission, along with the help of the parishioner's of her church who had prayed over her.

But that still wasn't all.

One of the ways in which Patsy Ramsey would communicate with me was through handwritten notes, which she would leave for me with instructions for various duties around the house that needed my attention.

In the fourteen month period that I worked for the Ramseys, I was left several dozen handwritten notes by Patsy Ramsey. I am quite familiar with her handwriting, and I believe I can recognize it with very little difficulty.

I told the grand jury that since leaving the employ of the Ramseys, I had had occasion to see a copy of the ransom note found at the scene of JonBenet Ramsey's murder. It was heartbreaking for me to admit that the handwriting in the ransom note looked very much like the handwriting Patsy Ramsey used in writing her notes to me.

By way of example, Patsy made her letter "a"s very distinctively, and she would use accents over words like JonBenet and attaché, and often used initialing of words in combination, to name just a few of her many unique handwriting characteristics.
Because I once felt very close to Patsy Ramsey, and regarded her with almost as much affection as a member of my immediate family, it has been hard for me to admit that I am now certain that the handwriting in the ransom note looks to me as if it was made by one and the same person.

Patsy Ramsey.

That is why I am convinced Patsy killed and then covered up the death of her daughter.

She alone is responsible.

John may have helped her to hide her crime because he had no choice, especially since she could have pointed the finger of guilt at him if he had resisted.

Perhaps I am being too cryptic. So let me tell you how I believe JonBenet was murdered.

If I were speaking to Patsy Ramsey right now, this is what I would say to her:
You were spent and exhausted, weren't you? The holidays do that to people. At the party on December twenty-third you appeared a little out of sorts, perhaps because there were twenty people in the house with another twenty on the way. It was five in the afternoon, and I was on my way out the door, leaving you without help. So it's okay if you dipped deeply into the Beringer Chardonnay, your favorite wine that you kept in the walk-in refrigerator, just off the kitchen.

Holidays can be depressing. I don't blame you for being down. Your big four-oh birthday was less than a week away, you had dealt with ovarian cancer for years, and your beauty queen looks were fading. Miss West Virginia of 1977 had become a middle-aged matron. You loved JonBenet, but she was a handful, wetting the bed night after night. She was driving you crazy.

Christmas Day wasn't quiet or peaceful, either. There was pressure, lots of pressure and I wasn't there to smooth out the rough edges for you. Sure, it was picture perfect, snow on the ground, and your home was a decorator's dream. I remember helping to decorate the artifical Christmas trees, one for nearly every room in the house. Giant candy canes bordered both sides of the walk. But there were homes to visit, open houses that had to be dropped in and dropped out of, and you were expected to gather up Burke and JonBenet and have them ready to fly out at daybreak to Michigan where there was going to be a second Christmas at your lakefront vacation house. John would hire the pilot, but you were the one who had to pack and organize and get the kids dressed.

So you were weary that night, who wouldn't be? John was no help. He did what he always did - swallowed a couple of melatonin capsules and fell into a deep sleep. He wouldn't have heard a cannon go off it was next to the bed. You were still wearing the red sweater and black velvet trousers when you put JonBenet to bed Christmas night. Surprisingly - for someone who has a hundred dresses and prides herself with never wearing the same outfit twice - you were wearing that same costume when the police arrived the next day.

JonBenet wet the bed again that night, didn't she? She woke up and told you about it before you were even undressed and you simply "lost it." You took her into the bathroom. It was the same destination you always took JonBenet when it was time to punish her for bedwetting. You forget that I saw you take here there so many times before, shutting the door tightly behind you, so her screams could not be heard. Except this time there was "an accident," wasn't there? You picked up the long, black flashlight you had brought with you, and you swung it. You swung it first at her crotch and then next at her head. Maybe you meant to scare her and maybe you didn't mean to kill her, but you did.

At first you thought you had knocked her out, but then she wasn't breathing, and you felt for a pulse, but there was none.

What to do? What to do?

Well, someone else must have done this, since it certainly couldn't have been you. Right? After all, you were always a model parent. Right? At least you hoped people thought so.

All of those Tom Clancy novels were suddenly flashing through your mind as JonBenet's body lay before you. What would a clever mystery writer have his antagonist do?

Think!

They sure wouldn't have the villain lie down and take the rap for an accident. A bash in the head, after all, was too suspicious. A parent could do that. But what if JonBenet was slowly strangled, exotically, with, of all things, a garrote?

So you broke off one of your paint brushes, took the white nylon cord, and twisted it around her neck. She might have still been revived, but you didn't know it. You just pulled the cord tight around her neck until it was red.

I remember just such a cord wrapped in just such a way around a box in the basement next to where her body was found.

I remember a lot Patsy.

You kept trying to make it an exotic crime scene, didn't you? You even taped your daughter's wrists and her mouth shut, cutting the tape with a small Swiss army knife that would later be found beside her body the next day.

I remember that knife.

Burke had walked around the house whittling with it a month before, and I told you I put it up at the top of the linen closet near JonBenet's bedroom when I confiscated it from him.

Only you knew and John knew the exact location of that hideaway in the linen closet.

After you finished taping JonBenet's mouth, you carried her downstairs and hid her body in the basement inside a small hidden room - the "wine room" you called it, even though there was never any wine stored there. You then wrapped her in a favorite white blanket of hers, which you took from the dryer, except her Barbie nightgown was stuck to it because you never did have the sense to throw in a static cling strip with the wash.

So you laid the nightie next to her.

You had stored the plastic Christmas trees there, in that "wine cellar." Strange, isn't it? I had worked for you for nearly a year and I didn't even know that room existed until you had me get those trees out of there. An intruder wouldn't have found that place. Not in a million years. Only you, or John, would know it location. Your house was a 22-room rabbit warren and maze that even my husband once got lost in when he was doing some work for you.

What to do next? Well, a ransom note might be nice. It would explain why JonBenet was suddenly missing. But you forgot one thing. The handwriting and language of the note were all yours. I can hear your "voice" in the note. The word "hence," for example, was in your Christmas cards and letters and a word you liked to use in conversation. The phrase "use that good Southern common sense" is what you kidded John about, since he was anything but Southern, having been born and raised in Michigan; the phrase "fat cat" is what your mother, Nedra, used to call you after you and John became rich. The ransom demand asked that the money be put in an attaché, with a proper accent mark over the last e in attaché. I remember how careful you always were to put the proper accent mark over the e in the second syllable of JonBenet's name. The ransom note even ended with the initials SBTC. Do you remember how fond you were of using initials as abbreviations for all sorts of expressions?

Preparing the crime scene and writing the ransom note must have been time consuming and exhausting. You were up all night before you "found" the ransom note just before six a.m in the morning. You didn't even have time to change your clothes from the day before. You began screaming as soon as John had awakened and he didn't even know what had happened when you called the police. John didn't know what had happened to JonBenet when he found the body hidden in the basement.

When did you tell him?

If so, that could put her in line for a lawsuit.

I know Linda didn't write that book herself - if Sydney is involved, I think she's being very foolish.

A situation to watch.

"According to Spade, 'if you check the properties of the original document, you will see that Sydney Barrows is listed as the author.'"

If this is true, it is good news. If true, it may be a deep-pocket for Lin Wood to go for; clearly LHP is not someone worthwhile to bring a suit (except for revenues from this book??); but now this bizarre association with Barrows???????

Why in the world would Barrows, a self-styled "hi-class" prostitute/Madam, form an arrangement with LHP?

This entire theory is a repeat of Steve Thomas' theory and belies LHP's own words from PMPT.

I could give a line X line critique of this segment but don't have the inclination--except for one glaring error.

The word is "protagonist," not "antagonist."

She should be sued for not having an editor.

And if Barrows wrote it, the connection is quite easy to make. She's Darnay's wife.

Rainsong

The Mayflower Madam is the wife of attorney Darnay Hoffman, who is LHP's lawyer.

Wouldn't that be IRONIC!!

The writing sounds very juvenile. I'd check out the source.

If it is from Darnay, then all he's trying to do is generate interest from someone else crazy enough to publish the book...and if in fact any of this is from LHP, then I'd say she's long overdue a closer look.

It sounds like a hoax, to me.

That pretty much says it all.

I am a bit surprised that "cryptic" is a part of a housekeeper's vernacular.

I guess chapter two will provide us with the knob-polishing advice she gave to Patsy and how it saved the Ramsey marriage.

Unless she plans on providing us with a confession in chapter three, that should about wrap it up.

A long time ago I did read a book by Darnay's wife - it was advice - how a woman might please her husband so he won't pay someone on the side.... it was pretty raw and I did not enjoy it. In fact I was pretty grossed out at a few points.

One thing I did take away from that book - - a very good tip.

For really nice soft feet, slather vaseline on those toes and heels and cover with socks - wear to bed and.... yes, ladies, the feet are much softer.

Probably not the greatest turn on - seeing your wife in white socks - but.... in the dark, who cares?

I hope Lin Wood has his copy and is busy preparing the libel suit papers!

I honestly think no publisher would touch the book and this was the only way to make sure people remembered how BORG LHP ended up being.

The strange thing is that she was very supportive of the Ramseys in the beginning.

Let's review some of her first comments...
here's what she said to Frank Coffman - he made this one post:

"What Linda said to me..." Posted by MaskedMan on Jun-09-00

"Those children were Patsy's life... Everything she did was for those children... A perfect mother..."
-- Linda Hoffmann-Pugh to me, Oct. 19, 1997.

"JonBenet absolutely loved those pageants... Patsy never put her down for not winning..."
-- Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, Nov. 25, 1997.

"She was always there for us... She was always givng... She treated me like family..."
--- LHP, Nov. 30, 1997.

Who is “we”? Note how the writing goes from the singular “I” to the plural “we”. (Where have we seen that before??)

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So, what did we learn from LHP:
We “learn” John & Patsy – in LHP’s opinion – were not overtly affectionate. (Startling news.)
We “learn” that Patsy did not care for sex, particularly oral sex. (Whew! I was really wondering about that!)
We learn that John does not think Patsy is much of a homemaker and cook. (But she’s a great mother!)
We learn what LHP told the Grand Jury. (She was a BIG help!)
We learn that LHP thinks Patsy’s faith is “strange”.
We learn that LHP saw the original ransom note and found the HandPRINTING to be very similar to Patsy’s HandWRITING.
We learn that LHP is inconsistent. First she says Patsy probably forced John to help her cover up, then she says he slept through the night (with the aide of melatonin) and wouldn’t have “heard a cannon go off”.
We learn that LHP can spell Beringer Chardonnay (but can she pronounce it?).
We learn the artificial Christmas trees were “plastic”!!
LHP worked for the Ramseys for "14 months", oops, I mean “nearly a year”.
We learn that the "red pocket knife with broken ornament (41KKY)" was found beside JonBenét’s body and that it was the Swiss Army Knife (I wonder how LHP knows that).
We learn that the duct tape was cut with the knife (although I recall it was torn from the roll).
We learn that LHP has nothing to tell us.

I think Linda better shut up and take the Fifth. She seems to be casting suspicion upon herself and Merv more than anything else.

(Actually, I say, poor Linda. I think she is being USED in a BIG way here. This is not her writing, her story, her anything. She had 2 or 3 things to say about the Ramseys and THAT'S IT! The most relevant had to do with the knife and that was not particularly clear or enlightening.)

You are right, Maikai, Darnay has lost his mind over his Patsy obsession. If he cannot win where it counts (the courts), he will simply destroy these people another way. Sick, sick, sick.

>I saw John and Patsy Ramsey in their private, unguarded moments.
Yeah, a part time housekeeper. sure.

>And because I took care of JonBenet as if she were my own child.
Oh, so now you are claiming to have been a nanny as well?

> The secret is this:
> I have no mouth and I must scream.
Uh, can we have a sobriety and sanity check at this point please?

> That's right.
> No one will help me!
> Not the police.
> Not the district attorney.
> Not even a federal judge.
Its all just one gigantic conspiracy and the only thing that will help you is oodles of royalty payments.

>If you will listen.
If you put the bottle down and say something sensible, we will listen.

1. The Pughs had black duct tape, white nylon cording.
2. They had recently been in the windowless room.
3. They knew of the broken window.
4. They had a key to the house.
5. They had access to John's payroll stubs.
6. They needed money.
7. They knew the Ramseys were going to Charlevoix.
8. She thought the Subic Bay photo said "Subic Bay Traing Center".
9. She volunteered the meaningfull information that JonBenet had an ongoing bed wetting problem.
10. She knew where the knife was hidden.
11. She knew where Patsy kept her paint tote.
12. She thought the terms "fat cat", and "Southern common sense" were used by the family.
13. Possibly an ignorant person might believe they could extort $118,000 dollars from someone without getting caught, especially if they could convince that someone not to call the authorities.
14. The Pughs watched a lot of television.
15. They were home together the night of the murder.

What an absolute low life. If you would do this for money what else would you do for it? What kind of friends and company do these people keep?

Mervyn Pugh's friends said that he was not articulate enough to have written the note. However, we don't know that for a fact. I know with myself, I am more articulate some times than other times. Also, I find myself most articulate when my emotions are high.

Maybe the truth is - we've been TAKEN/SCAMMED.

Maybe the truth is, all that we have here is a "word" document that I understand was created by Sydney Barrows.

Maybe the truth is, Darnay "got" Patsy by having the forums post this "word document" created by Sydney Barrows that gives out the dirt and message Darnay wanted "out there", without opening himself up to a law suit.

Maybe the truth is that all of the writing is FICTICIOUS, created by the imagination of Sydney Barrows. (No Southern lady would discuss the details of her sex life with hired help.)

We can see LHP has been "used". Have we?

NOW...this same attorney apparently sends out under his email address, this tawdry excerpt from a non-fiction book his client plans on writing touting again, the Patsy did it theory. What kind of legal representation is that? LHP, through her attorney, has clearly left herself wide open for a libel suit, and her admitted intimate knowledge of phrases in the ransom note leaves her wide open for at the very least, additional questioning. Who is he baiting and why? And why would LHP be part of it? I don't believe for a minute she is that stupid.

Add to all of that, Darnay's recent association with a convicted child killer (Steinberg). He doesn't deserve to have a license to practice law, IMO.

I understand Sydney's name is on the document BUT... two things...

1.
The first time Darnay contacted me, he used Sydney's email account and it was quite obviously a woman's name - I didn't know who Darnay was married to at that point and challenged him to prove he was really Darnay Hoffman. He was - but that is evidence of past situations where he has used Sydney's programs for work.

2.
When I started on this, I took over my husband's computer and programs and i am sure a lot of the things I do would be tracked back to him - though he has NEVER been inolved in anything Ramsey (other than being with me while I did MY thing.)

Freebird: "... sh!t. I doubt I'll spend money on it..." "This has left a bad taste in my mouth. (please no comments)"

Spade: "This "book" is LinWad's ultimate wetdream."

Sabrina: "... she will be sued for sure. I would think her lawyers would have advised her to state "in my opinion", "I think", "I believe"...instead of "I know"."

Watching You: "The content is trash, and it is very poorly written."
"... a lawsuit waiting to happen..." "Any hopes we may have pinned on Linda's knowledge about the case just went down the tubes. I won't buy this garbage."

"J_R": "... if the rest of the book is written like the first chapter then it is just that - trash."


Ginja: "What am I missing? Seems to me that the graphic descriptions of life between John and Patsy is important. Patsy couldn't/wouldn't give John what he wanted. He had to "get it" somewhere, right?"

DejaNu: "I agree with Ginja." "Heretofore we were misled to believe that the Rs were "just a normal family," and I have been looking for SOMETHING that would create foundation for other theories. Thanks, LHP!"

Britt: "I agree with you, Ginja. IMO we need to get past the gag factor (pun intended) and look at the significance of these revelations."

Watching You: "I'm no prude and I'm no cherry, but this type of writing turns me off."

"J_R": "This is pis$ poor writing sprinkled with porn..."
"There isn't a sexually aware woman out there that doesn't understand that most men consider a BJ the ultimate sex act. We don't need it spelled out for us. Go back to the drawing board Linda."

Ginja: "LHP wouldn't "make this up"..."

Freebird: "This whole chapter reads like a cheap, badly written porn novel." "And I'm sorry but I've known women who won't have oral sex and don't like it ....I don't see that as an abnormality or a reason to molest your 6 yr old daughter. 20 bucks will get you what you want anytime day or night."

I THINK THAT IS A FAIR SAMPLING OF THE BORG REACTION TO THE CHAPTER. BOTTOM LINE IS THIS - - LHP HAS FEW SUPPORTERS ANYWHERE.

I don't think she wrote any of that.

It sounds like advice a madam would give to her prostitute.

Her self esteem is soooooo low she actually thinks this Darnay LOSER person and his whore wife are important people. Powerful with money...they will make her rich too (she thinks) Just do whatever they tell her to do, just like a little puppet.

You're STUPID Linda. They're going to take you down and your toothless brainless husband.

I remember LHP and Darnay Hoffman on Peter Boyle's show a few years ago. The way Darnay and Peter were speaking to LHP reminded me of how a teacher might speak to a young elementary school student. LHP would answer a question in a child-like manner, and then Darnay and Peter Boyle would add ridiculous conclusions to her comments.

I don't think LHP is a bad person. I think she just doesn't get what is going on.

"As a mother of six children, I had never run into that problem.

Quite the contrary."

Does Linda know where her ovaries are?

I think this whole excerpt was done as a bad joke, and to strum up interest in someone publishing her book....and Darnay's sitting behind his computer screen enjoying reading all the comments.

I wonder if LHP knows this is being broadcast across the internet? Surely someone knows where she is and can ask her for comments.

http://www.nysba.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Attorney_Grievance_Procedures/Attorney_Grievance_Procedures.htm

Did Darnay go over the top and violate the Code of Professional Responsibility to his client? Is there a conflict of interest because of his "Patsy did it" obsession? Beats me...perhaps someone smarter than me can figure it out.

She is implying that she has had alot of sex, since she had six children, and therefore is quite good in the sex department overall.

In reality, being a mother of six children doesn't really mean that, of course.

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Ramsey housekeeper cannot discuss grand jury testimony in book
A federal appeals court held that a state grand jury secrecy law that interferes with publication of a book does not violate the First Amendment.
Aug. 8, 2003 -- A Colorado law making it illegal for a witness to publicly discuss her own testimony before a grand jury "until and unless an indictment or report is issued," does not violate the First Amendment, the U.S. Court of Appeals in Denver (10th Cir.) ruled on Aug. 6.

The decision means that Linda Hoffman-Pugh, a former housekeeper for murdered child JonBenet Ramsey's family, cannot discuss her testimony in a book she is writing about her experiences with the family before and after the 1996 murder. The decision overturns a federal district judge's decision that the law was unconstitutional. The long-running investigation into the murder has produced no indictments yet.

The appellate court distinguished this case from a previous U.S. Supreme Court case that struck down Florida's grand jury secrecy law. The court noted that the Colorado law did not interfere with Hoffman-Pugh's right to discuss any facts or information she knew before she testified, but barred her only from revealing what actually transpired during the grand jury hearing or other information she learned during the grand jury process.

In Butterworth v. Smith, "the Florida statute specifically precluded disclosing the 'gist or import' of the testimony, which clearly emcompassed the substance of the knowledge the grand jury witness had before entering the grand jury process," the appellate court ruled.

The court added that any harm to Hoffman-Pugh was lessened because she would be able to discuss her testimony once the criminal investigation was complete, and because she could petition a state court for a determination that secrecy is no longer required.

The day after the decision, a lawyer for the housekeeper told The Associated Press that she would publish the book with 32 blank pages where her discussion of her testimony would have been. The lawyer would not disclose who the publisher of the book is, but said it was scheduled for publication next spring.

Hoffman-Pugh previously had sued JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, over a statement about her in their own book -- that Patsy Ramsey had told police the housekeeper had been acting strangely at the time of the child's disappearance. That case was dismissed last year.

(Hoffman-Pugh v. Keenan; Author's counsel: Darnay Hoffman, New York) -- GL

She gave LHP's husband and family jobs to do so their pathetic family could earn some money. She gave her clothes and shoes. Loaned her thousands of dollars. She went beyond what most people would do for a housekeeper. BECAUSE, she is a decent caring woman.

Patsy has CLASS and would never have had a conversation like that with LHP or anyone for that matter. She's a proper southern woman with morals. A God fearing, church going lady, and a converstaion like the ONE above WOULD have NEVER happened.

It would have appalled her!

Who are they trying to kid?

Btw, Linda, Patsy didn't need YOU to smooth over anything. She told you NO, she didn't you to stay and clean up.

YOU NEEDED HER! Your worthless husband had no job and no teeth she loaned you money so he could get his teeth fixed. Your sister was evicting you AND Patsy was the ONLY person in the world you could turn too for help.

She didn't turn you away! She was there for you and your family. How dare you treat her this way. If you have any decency in you at all...you should get on your hands and knees and beg for forgiveness.

I never once saw them hold hands,

I never once saw them a kiss, or hug, or use words or terms of endearment, or speak to one another with any warmth or tenderness.

Not once.

Not ever!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If that's the case IDIOT, Patsy would hardly be concerned with having oral sex and asking for YOUR advice.

Maybe... Patsy thought you were so beautiful and lovely and had such a handsome and wonderful husband She desperatley NEEDED to know your secret on a HAPPY and fulfilling marriage too! LOLOL!

I'm sorry this is all just so ridiculous I can't stop laughing at how STUPID this woman is.

Btw, she's completely contradicted herself. She told the TRUTH in the beginning. How this was a WONDERFUL family full of love. She never saw ANYTHING wrong in that household...and if it turned out to be the parents then everything she believed in would be gone.

Not her exact words but close enough.

According to Schiller's book, Linda Hoffmann-Pugh was offered a trip to Florida and $20,000 to give the National Enquirer an interview. She took it.
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One subject covered in the interview was sex. Linda said she had seen signs of sex in the parent's room, nowhere else, but that Patsy had confided in her that she didn't really enjoy sex anymore. According to Schiller and the tabloid, Patsy had asked the housekeeper for advice - she had suggested adult magazines and movies.

That isn't quite the same as what she is writing now.
I think money conjured up some false memories that have gotten far nastier over time.

BINGO! You hit the nail on the head. Only problem is... the gravy train is over. No one is buying this garbage anymore.

She's too dumb to see that telling these lies is going to end up COSTING HER.

When did you tell him?
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Gee, dumbshit, I wonder how foreign male dna got in JB's underwear. Are you saying Patsy's really a MAN. Or is that in your next chapter? you IDIOT.

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So,how often did LHP ever see John and Patsy together? She was a maid/cleaning woman. John would have been at work, not at home when LHP was there.

Let the children of LHP and her husband come forward and say that they remember their parents: holding hands, kissing, hugging, using words or terms of endearment, and speaking to one another with warmth and tenderness.

Also, I think this has overtones of the Madam. Evidently the assumption is that couples who love one another will show (in front of others) lots of: holding hands, kissing, hugging, using words or terms of endearment, or almost always speak to one another a lot with warmth or tenderness.

I am trying to remember my parents' behavior on this aspect. They would not have passed muster according to these criteria. But my mother often told to me, while Dad was at work, of her love and thankfulness for my father. And my father defended my mother strongly the one time I challenged him about her hurtful (menopausal) behavior towards me. They worked as a team to provide for their children, morally, spiritually, economically, etc. Their love for each other was very evident because we, the children, could see their dedication to each other, working together, and especially for their children.

My sister and her husband have been married 36 years. I haven't seen them kiss or act affectionate since their wedding though I know their marriage is one based on love and steadfastness.

How do I know?

My sister and the man who became her husband had been dating a short time when she became ill with rheumatic fever and nearly died. At the time, she was in 10th grade and he was a junior. He didn't miss one day of visiting her during the month she was in the hospital nor a single day of her six month recuperation. They've been together ever since.

After he graduated, he attended college out of town but drove home every weekend to see her.

In turn, she has seen him through a potentially fatal heart infection, moved with him to California leaving all her family behind and turned around eighteen years later to return to the east coast.

Not everyone is free with their kisses and hand-holding in public yet the love and respect is inherent in their relationship.

I cannot picture a woman who wouldn't use the "F" word (she substituted 'flying flip') discussing oral sex or her husband's penis with anyone except her mother or sisters. Certainly not her part-time cleaning lady.

Correction, definitely not her cleaning lady.

She may have mentioned sex was not as enjoyable as it had been prior to her chemo--but I doubt it.

Rainsong

I can, Rainsong. clem

I can't imagine Patsy having that conversation with LHP - it would be one raunchy woman talking like that. (I do cuss but find myself shocked by the dialog that takes place on Sex In The City - there are limits. LHP crossed over.)

Well said! Parts of this thread have degenerated into slut-type-stuff. I do not think the JonBenet cause is well-served by the slut/smut comments.

Every forum has a flavor - and you knew the flavor of this one before you joined.

This is NOT a vulgar forum but it is, at times, adult. We have forum moderators that keep things from getting out of hand.

back to case....

"Every forum has a flavor - and you knew the flavor of this one before you joined.

This is NOT a vulgar forum but it is, at times, adult. We have forum moderators that keep things from getting out of hand.

back to case...."

jameson,
I do NOT think this a vulgar forum, except in a small number of posts, that sort of have gone overboard about sex between the parents and sexual practices. Perhaps Darnay and Madam wanted to encourage this type of talk???
I appreciate the forum moderators who keep things from getting out of hand.
I don't know what "flavor of the forum" means. I don't know what "flavor" means in terms of the murder of JonBenet, other than it might mean that explicit sexual and sexually-related facts would be discussed.
I am not against sexually explicit discussion about JonBenet's murder being discussed on this forum. JonBenet was sexually abused during the time of her murder. How important this is in solving the case is still unknown.
Saluda

She has no mouth, yet she must scream? Hey, wait a minute...she repeated that three times! Didn't the ransom note repeat, "she dies," several times? That must mean LHP wrote the ransom note! That's it, then. Pack up your bags and head home...the case is solved!

This is all about the money.

Why do they do it? Personally I think they must be sick, sick people.

As for LHP being "used", if she is she is being used willingly. Darnay Hoffman is her lawyer - he sent the chapter out - and her silence is equal to approval as far as I am concerned.

I would be VERY UPSET to think someone wanted to publish that crap with MY name on it - - but I don't think Linda cares - just make sure the check doesn't bounce.

Could she have been easily led into a kidnapping scheme? Iw ould have to say YES! For money it seems she knows no boundaries.

Would she have given someone a key and told them about the room she claims that only Patsy and John knew about.

Well, guess what Linda? You just told everybody YOU KNEW about it BEFORE the murder. So I guess that makes YOU and the Rasmey's the only one that knew about that room being there, eh? The dna doesn't match the Ramsey's...I guess it must be your husbands or some degenerate that you were in on it with???

What if she never considered anything as serious as murder?

What if she was willing to talk about the Ramseys and their house because she thought someone was just going to go in there and take some material items during the Ramseys' trip to Michigan.

That is a possibility I hope LE looked into.

Linda had a lot of information a burglar might like to know - - and if she is, as some suspect, easily led....

Myself, I have always posted that I wanted to know about Mervin's drinking buddies - - he might have talked about the Ramseys - complaining about his lot in life while thosefat cats living on the hill had so much - -and imagine the bonus that he saw noted on a pay stub!

(Mervin was in the house as a handiman - - personally I am more interested in him and his friends than in Linda.)

If those are her words in Chapter l, then she admits she knew about key phrases in the ransom note. What's even more ludicrous is everything she accuses Patsy of knowing, Linda knew too, and she comes out and says she did. What makes her above reproach? That in of itself, should cause those investigating the crime to take another look.....a look at her interviews with the police soon after the crime---a look at what she said to the GJ. This shouldn't be chalked up to a woman scorned.

One thing that always bothered me about the loan, was it was a good excuse if someone from her family were found in the Ramsey house in the middle of the night---before JBR was taken from her bed. It would be a good excuse as to why they were in the house, if detected.

I can't imagine turning against someone the way LHP has, in the way she has, even for money. This whole thing doesn't make sense---the ppossibiity of a contempt charge......and libel, considering the judge's design in the Wolf case, and Mary Keenan's public announcement that they were looking at an intruder. Why is Darnay ccontinuing with the "Patsy Did It" mantra?

That is a very good question. What is the reason? It cannot be something as simple as the "sore loser" syndrome, could it? Or, trying to revive a very tarnished reputation? This dirt just tarnishes it more, don't you think? This email of the book chapter is in extremely poor taste. Darnay has revealed himself to be a poor strategizer throughout his involvement in this case. Is this just another example?

"Trust me (as they say in Hollywood) when I tell you that if you're doing this solely for the money, then you're nuts. "This is a "career move.' You better be in this because you 'like the action.' Because you're going to see plenty of it when this report hits the courts."