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1 A. In the paint tray?
2 Q. Yes.
3 A. What's a paint --
4 MR. WOOD: Hold on. Let him ask
5 you his question and then answer his
6 question. What is your question?
7 MR. LEVIN: I did.
8 MR. WOOD: You got your answer?
9 MR. LEVIN: Well, I got, she said
10 what's a paint tray.
11 MR. WOOD: No, she didn't. She
12 was following your question, in the paint
13 tray because you said we have found, and I
14 want you to help us, maybe you can offer an
15 explanation for this. We have found fibers
16 in the paint tray that appear to come off of
17 the coat in the photograph we showed you.
18 What is the question?
19 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Can you explain
20 for us how the fibers from the coat got in
21 the paint tray?
22 MR. WOOD: Are you stipulating as
23 a fact that the fibers that you say are in
24 the paint tray, in fact, came from that coat
25 that we earlier discussed, or is it simply a

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2 I am not going to let her answer
3 argumentative, hypothetical opinions. I will
4 let her answer if you are going to state it
5 as a matter of fact that that fiber came
6 from that jacket.
7 MR. LEVIN: I can state to you,
8 Mr. Wood, that, given the current state of
9 the scientific examination of fibers, that,
10 based on the state of the art technology,
11 that I believe, based on testing, that fibers
12 from your client's coat are in the paint
13 tray.
14 MR. WOOD: Are you stating as a
15 fact that they are from the coat or is it
16 consistent with? What is the test result
17 terminology? Is it conclusive? I mean, I
18 think she is entitled to know that when you
19 ask her to explain something.
20 MR. KANE: It is identical in all
21 scientific respects.
22 MR. WOOD: What does that mean?
23 Are you telling me it is conclusive?
24 MR. KANE: It is identical.
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2 MR. KANE: You can draw your own
3 conclusions.
4 MR. WOOD: I am not going to
5 draw my own conclusions.
6 MR. KANE: I am saying it is
7 identical.
8 MR. WOOD: Well, what you are
9 saying in terms of how you interpret a lab
10 result may or may not be the lab result.
11 If you have it, let's see it. I would be
12 glad to let her answer a question about it,
13 but I don't want to go into the area of
14 where we are dealing with someone's
15 interpretation of something that may not be a
16 fact and have her explain something because
17 she can't explain something that might be
18 someone's opinion or someone's interpretation.
19 She can try to answer something
20 if you are stating it as a matter of fact.
21 MR. LEVIN: Well, I believe that
22 Mr. Kane's statement is accurate as to what
23 the examiner would testify to.
24 MR. WOOD: Will he testify that
25 it is a conclusive match?

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1 MR. KANE: Yes.
2 MR. WOOD: Everybody is -- you
3 all want to take a minute and confer on
4 that?
5 MR. KANE: No.
6 MR. WOOD: Because I want to make
7 sure, if I am going to let her answer this,
8 that you are representing and stipulating
9 that it is a conclusive match.
10 MR. KANE: Well, come on, Lin, we
11 have been around a long time. You know, you
12 know exactly what I am saying.
13 MR. WOOD: No, I don't. I
14 honestly do not.
15 MR. KANE: Well, I am telling
16 you, it is -- is it conclusive in the sense
17 that, that there is something unique about it
18 that could only come from a particular item,
19 then the answer is no.
20 Is it that it is identical in all
21 respects to the fibers off of the jacket,
22 then the answer is yes.
23 Now, does that mean it is
24 conclusive?
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2 MR. KANE: Then you have got your
3 answer.
4 MR. WOOD: It sounds like to
5 me --
6 MR. KANE: Then you have your
7 answer.
8 MR. WOOD: Then it is a matter
9 of opinion. It is not a matter of fact.
10 MR. KANE: Then you have your
11 answer.
12 MR. WOOD: I want to make sure,
13 because this is an area that you are asking
14 her to explain something that may or may not
15 be a fact because you are representing to
16 her, Ms. Ramsey, a fiber from your red and
17 black and gray jacket was found in the paint
18 tray, how do you explain it.
19 I mean, if it is a matter of
20 fact, I will let her answer that.
21 MR. LEVIN: Well, Mr. Wood, let
22 me -- I thought I made it as clear as
23 possible. I will try to clarify for you.
24 I assume that, in your practice,
25 that you have dealt with --

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1 MR. WOOD: Don't assume anything
2 about my practice. I am asking you a
3 question. You used the term in your
4 question, Mr. Levin, you used the term in
5 your question, and I am sure that you have
6 precisely framed your questions. You said
7 appears.
8 Now, "appears to be" and "is," in
9 my practice, are two different things. I
10 want to make very clear what the question is
11 before I let her answer. That is all I am
12 asking.
13 MR. LEVIN: Given -- and I want
14 to answer your question. I am going to try
15 to answer your question before I phrase it
16 to your client.
17 Given the status of fiber
18 analysis, the state of the art, that fiber
19 is identical in all respects to fibers from
20 your client's coat; however, as is the case
21 with any type of scientific evidence, even
22 DNA evidence, where you get numbers that say,
23 for example, the likelihood of a random match
24 would be 1 in, say, 14 trillion. An expert
25 is not going to get up, they'll talk about

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2 and say that that is the DNA from that man.
3 MR. WOOD: Maybe you should give
4 us the numbers on this fiber.
5 MR. LEVIN: There are no numbers
6 on the fiber.
7 MR. WOOD: Give us that, whatever
8 you got, and we will look at it.
9 MR. LEVIN: Do you understand
10 what I'm saying? I don't want to, I don't
11 want to mislead you because scientific
12 evidence is always subject to --
13 MR. WOOD: That's why I don't
14 think she should be put into the position of
15 explaining something that scientists may
16 differ on.
17 MR. LEVIN: Well, scientists will
18 differ on many, many things.
19 MR. WOOD: Well, then -- that is
20 my point. She shouldn't be explaining
21 something that one person may say this
22 appears to be the case and the other person
23 may say no, it doesn't appear to be the
24 case. You are putting her in an incredibly
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1 CHIEF BECKNER: Let me try to
2 offer a compromise.
3 MR. WOOD: We are ready to hear
4 it.
5 CHIEF BECKNER: Instead of wording
6 the question in terms of fibers from the
7 jacket or appear to be from the jacket,
8 maybe if you word it fibers that by
9 scientific analysis are identical to fibers
10 from the jacket and not say, not identify
11 those fibers from the jacket but say
12 identical to fibers --
13 MR. WOOD: What if we left out
14 the fiber problem altogether and just simply
15 ask her whether or not she ever had the
16 jacket, the red and black, gray jacket in
17 the proximity of the paint tray. We don't
18 have to fight the question of what the fiber
19 is or isn't. Isn't that what you really
20 want to find out?
21 CHIEF BECKNER: Well, I think
22 that is probably what Bruce and Mike were
23 trying to get to is is there an explanation.
24 MR. WOOD: Well, but again, I am
25 not trying to prevent there from being an

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1 explanation as to the question of the jacket
2 in proximity to the paint tray, but I am
3 very much concerned about her trying to
4 explain something that may or may not be the
5 case scientifically based on opinion.
6 MR. LEVIN: I will rephrase the
7 question and maybe this will satisfy you.
8 MR. WOOD: Okay.
9 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey, I
10 have scientific evidence from forensic
11 scientists that say that there's fibers in
12 the paint tray that match your red jacket.
13 I have no evidence from any scientist to
14 suggest that those fibers are from any source
15 other than your red jacket.
16 MR. WOOD: Well, you can't ask
17 her -- Come on. What other sources did they
18 test? How many other red jackets and red
19 and black jackets did they test? That is an
20 unfair question on the face of it, Bruce.
21 Did they test anything other than that red
22 and black jacket?
23 I mean, they can't have
24 information that it could come from another
25 source if they didn't test another source,

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1 for gosh sakes. So, I mean, that doesn't
2 help solve the dilemma.
3 I think what you want to know is,
4 you suspect, apparently, for whatever reason,
5 that there may be a match or there may be a
6 fiber from her red and black jacket that was
7 on the paint -- in the paint tray, but we
8 are not at all clear whether that is a fact
9 or whether that's just something that you
10 believe may or may not be the case.
11 MR. LEVIN: Well, I told you in
12 the question and I told you face-to-face
13 that, given the most sophisticated testing
14 available at this time, there is fiber
15 evidence in that paint tray that matches.
16 MR. WOOD: Then fairly we would
17 like to see that evidence so we can then let
18 her answer it so she can fairly know what
19 the actual results are.
20 I think that is a fair request.
21 MR. LEVIN: Whether it is her
22 fiber or not, I mean, if she can say I
23 can't explain it, I can't explain it, it
24 doesn't matter what the test says.
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1 would be fair for her to be able to
2 recognize the question of whether this is
3 something that she even has to explain.
4 MR. MORRISSEY: Lin.
5 MR. WOOD: You know, a red fiber
6 can be in a paint tray from any number of
7 sources. I mean, we don't, you are asking,
8 specifically you are trying to attach
9 apparently a red fiber, I take it from her
10 jacket to the paint tray.
11 MR. MORRISSEY: Lin, if we charge
12 an intruder in this case, this is a question
13 that is going to get asked her.
14 MR. WOOD: Well, I mean, but
15 you're going to be able, that intruder's
16 defense lawyer is going to have the benefit
17 of knowing what result, the test result that
18 you are looking at; true? So why shouldn't
19 Pat --
20 MR. MORRISSEY: And he is going
21 to be asking her this very same question.
22 MR. WOOD: Wouldn't that person
23 have the benefit of knowing your test result?
24 MR. MORRISSEY: Exactly.
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2 not going to let her speculate, and I don't
3 think you want her to speculate, that is all
4 I am saying. We will let her answer the
5 question, but I would like for her to fairly
6 know exactly what the factual underpinning is
7 or even if it is a factual underpinning or
8 whether it is a disputed issue in the case.
9 And then if you all -- why don't
10 we tag that and come back to it maybe after
11 lunch and let me think about it a little bit
12 and then you all think about it. And then
13 maybe after, we will resolve it, I think, in
14 a way that gets you the information that you
15 want.
16 MR. MORRISSEY: The problem is,
17 even if it is somewhat in dispute, it is
18 going to get asked. I mean, a judge is,
19 would, would allow that. And, and these are
20 questions, these kinds of questions are the
21 things we need to know the answer to if we
22 are confronted with a scenario where we have
23 to put Mrs. Ramsey on the witness stand and
24 subject her to, explain to us how is it that
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2 MR. WOOD: But her answer may be,
3 you know, did you check anything else?
4 MR. MORRISSEY: Well --
5 MR. WOOD: I mean, you know, the
6 intruder, what was, if you find the intruder
7 and you find clothing there, did you check
8 the intruder's clothing to see if it matches
9 the same, better, or whatever. I mean,
10 there are so many hypotheticals there that we
11 just have to know what we are talking about,
12 in all fairness, Mitch.
13 MR. MORRISSEY: But you understand
14 the position we are in as far as that is
15 going to get asked.
16 MR. WOOD: Yeah, but I also
17 understand that the body or universe of
18 evidence that may be in existence when that
19 is asked is totally different than what
20 exists here today. We don't even know what
21 other items were tested. We don't even know
22 what the test results are. And I am just
23 very hesitant to have Patsy speculate over
24 something that we don't know whether it is
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1 were tested, et cetera.
2 That is my dilemma. Let me think
3 about it. We won't take a hard position on
4 it yet, but you all think about it in terms
5 of whether you might be able to can get some
6 additional information on it and we can come
7 back at a later date and answer it or we
8 can do it in a different fashion.
9 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We need to
10 make a tape change.
11 MR. LEVIN: I think it is a good
12 lunch break and you can think about it
13 because there are other similar questions, so
14 the answer, your decision on this will
15 dictate what happens with a series of coming
16 questions, just so you know what is coming.
17 MR. WOOD: Well, and fairly, I
18 anticipated there might be something because,
19 I mean, the forensics issue is one that I
20 think everyone is aware of, tests that have
21 been done subsequent to June of 1998, and I
22 just wanted to make sure that we were not
23 asking her to answer questions that are based
24 on what could be differing opinions on
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2 has ended.
3 MR. WOOD: -- versus fact.
4 MR. LEVIN: I understand, I
5 understand your position.
6 MR. WOOD: Okay, thank you.
7 (A recess was taken.)

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1 gross speculation, but it is at best a
2 hypothetical that reasonably may not even be
3 based on fact. Here is what I would offer
4 in terms of a compromise, and that is, you
5 have indicated, at least by your questions,
6 that you are comfortable in giving us, at
7 least, your verbal statement of the results
8 of these tests.
9 I think, if you would give us,
10 subsequent to this or if you want to do it
11 today, this afternoon, or tomorrow, you can
12 get those, if you can give us the actual
13 result, not looking for the details of the
14 testing, but just the results, the
15 terminology used, we will then consider,
16 reconsider, and maybe we can get you some
17 additional information.
18 But right now as it stands, I am
19 just not willing to let Patsy sit here and
20 speculate about scenarios that may not, in
21 fact, be based in fact. I just don't think
22 that is fair.
23 MR. LEVIN: Just so you know,
24 what I would like to ask her is the
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2 MR. WOOD: Okay.
3 MR. LEVIN: I think that is
4 probably fair. Based on the state of the
5 art scientific testing, we believe the fibers
6 from her jacket were found in the paint
7 tray, were found tied into the ligature found
8 on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket
9 that she is wrapped in, were found on the
10 duct tape that is found on the mouth, and
11 the question is, can she explain to us how
12 those fibers appeared in those places that
13 are associated with her daughter's death.
14 And I understand you are not going to answer
15 those.
16 MR. WOOD: Right. Not, not
17 without -- I mean, with all due respect,
18 Bruce, even the discussion we had, as I can
19 best recall it, we didn't get a consistent
20 description of the fiber results on the
21 question of the paint tray. You are sitting
22 here making a record saying that it is a
23 fact, and I don't know that.
24 MR. LEVIN: I understand that,
25 and I'm just --

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1 MR. WOOD: And I think what we
2 will probably find, more likely than not, is
3 when we look at your test results, we will
4 find that there was -- there were fibers
5 that were consistent with or similar to
6 fibers that you believe were found on Patsy's
7 sweater or jacket.
8 I think we will also find, if you
9 put all of the information out there, that
10 there were an extraordinary number of fibers
11 that are not, in fact, in any way similar to
12 any item associated with Patsy Ramsey on
13 these very items.
14 And to single out now in this
15 record and say a fiber was found on the
16 ligature that was consistent with Patsy
17 Ramsey's jacket, fairly, I think if asked,
18 you would say, Mr. Wood, there were an
19 extraordinary number of other fibers that we
20 do not relate in any way to Mrs. Ramsey and
21 probably you would tell me you don't have an
22 explanation for.
23 So I don't want this record to be
24 accusatory based on your statements about the
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1 pretty, pretty -- I won't say weak, but
2 let's just say that it is subject to a great
3 amount of debate in the profession. And
4 that is why I am just not comfortable
5 leaving your statements there without, I
6 think, putting a more accurate picture,
7 Bruce, on the whole record.
8 MR. LEVIN: I understand your
9 position.
10 In addition to those questions,
11 there are some others that I would like you
12 to think about whether or not we can have
13 Mrs. Ramsey perhaps in the future answer. I
14 understand you are advising her not to today,
15 and those are there are black fibers that,
16 according to our testing that was conducted,
17 that match one of the two shirts that was
18 provided to us by the Ramseys, black shirt.
19 Those are located in the
20 underpants of JonBenet Ramsey, were found in
21 her crotch area, and I believe those are two
22 other areas that we have intended to ask
23 Mrs. Ramsey about if she could help us in
24 explaining their presence in those locations.
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1 that on this record as fact, and I really
2 think that is unfair. I think if you would
3 produce the full truth of the fibers that
4 you have collected that it would probably be
5 at best similar to, which is not uncommon.
6 And I think you would also probably have to
7 admit that there are any number of other
8 fibers found in these areas that you have no
9 explanation for, and I don't want this record
10 to be distorted down the road as being a
11 situation where somehow there is greater
12 weight given to these similar fibers you
13 represent in terms of their location and
14 their alleged origin than really is fair
15 under the truth of fiber evidence and the
16 total fiber evidence in this case.
17 So I mean, I understand your
18 position, and we may very well be able to
19 get over it. You all are willing verbally
20 to tell us the result. I think you clearly,
21 in fairness, should be perfectly willing to
22 show us the result. And when you do that,
23 that would give us an opportunity to perhaps
24 reconsider and answer the question.
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1 that, Bruce?
2 MR. LEVIN: I think that is
3 something we'd have -- I would have to
4 discuss with Chief Beckner. And I think you
5 can appreciate why, when we are talking about
6 physical evidence in an ongoing investigation,
7 which is not a filed case, that we are
8 reluctant to release reports.
9 MR. WOOD: Well, in fairness to
10 John and Patsy, though, you are willing to
11 state that these fibers, you believe, match,
12 and it seems to me then you are not giving
13 away anything by simply giving us the actual
14 result. What did the forensic expert say?
15 What is the actual result?
16 If you are willing to say it
17 verbally and characterize it, it seems to me
18 you don't jeopardize anything in an ongoing
19 investigation not filed by giving us the
20 result and letting us see if, in fact, what
21 the result says is consistent with the way
22 you represent it today. It seems to me that
23 would be fair and wouldn't hurt you in the
24 slightest.
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2 MR. WOOD: Okay.

I am not Patsy - I am not Lin - but I have the answer.

Patsy owned the jacket for some time - she wore it in the house, in the car - and while she did not wear it while actually painting, there is a good chance the coat was in the same room as the paint tray at some time. Fibers shed and get everywhere - there is no reason to act shocked when some of the fibers ended up in the paint tray.

Patsy had worn that jacket when she went to the Whites, may have worn it when she tucked JonBenét in bed - fibers could have transferred then from her to her daughter's clothes.

So we had fibers in a paint tray and possibly on JonBenét's clothes - - AND consider this: John went to bed after Patsy - and when he went to bed with Patsy, she was in bedclothes, not the jacket.

So let's say JonBenét was killed after John was in bed, asleep... does the BORG really think patsy got up, put on a jacket to bring her daughter to a very warm and humid basement to kill her? (Yes, the basement near that heater is VERY warm and humid - - not cool - - no one would grab a jacket to go there. I have been there - - I know that to be a fact - - and so does LE.)

I think it is far more likely that the killer decided to take a pantbrush from the paint tray to make a handle for his garotte - and when he grabbed that brush, fibers adhered to his hand - - and those fibers, from the intruder's hand, transferred to the ligature and duct tape.

Could also be that the fibers were simply on JonBenét from when her mother tucked her in bed - - and again, adhered to the killer's hands and been transferred when he fashioned the ligature, when he put the duct tape on JonBenet's face.

That's the crux of the situation. To narrow in on the Ramseys about fibers that would normally be in the home and on their child and ignore the evidence of fibers they can't seem to match with anything they found in the house doesn't give the true picture for the record. All the fibers taken together have to be considered before making a determination about parental involvment or intruder. The fibers, taken together with the other evidence they have, has to be taken into consideration as well. All they had to do, as suggested by Lin, is ask Patsy if she had been near the paint tray with her jacket. They didn't want to do that, though, even after considering the question through lunch. It looks like they want to make a record that the fibers ARE from the red, black and gray jacket and that there is something sinister about that fact. Lin did a good job here. It would be sooo easy to say something that could be used against a person when they are sitting in the hot seat like this. Better to not even begin to go there. It could too easily skew the true picture of what happened to start addressing a skewed representation of the case.

It would have been better to say something like, "Look, Patsy, we have a lot fibers from the crime scene. Some of them look like they may have come from yours and John's clothing you wore that day, and some of them we have no source for at all. We need to find out if the fibers really are from you guys or from someone as yet unknown. Can you remember if you were near the paint tray and Jonbenet's blanket?"

That would have been a fair question and shown a spirit of fairness in the interview. That's all John and Patsy wanted.

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1 you can let her look at?
2 THE WITNESS: Do you have any of
3 those?
4 MR. LEVIN: I don't think we have
5 any in the computer.
6 MR. KANE: Not in the computer.
7 MR. LEVIN: No, no, we don't have
8 those.
9 MR. WOOD: Are you representing
10 that every one afterwards was in fact typed?
11 MR. KANE: That is what Burke's
12 teacher has told us.
13 MR. WOOD: Do you have them, the
14 actual reports?
15 MR. KANE: We certainly don't
16 have them here. I am not sure if we have
17 them.
18 MR. WOOD: Well, I --
19 THE WITNESS: I don't ever
20 remember -- I mean, I don't have any
21 recollection of ever typing anything in the
22 Friday folder, but --
23 MR. WOOD: I mean, if we can see
24 them somewhere down the road, that might help
25 refresh and give us some indication of an

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1 explanation if they, in fact, are as you say
2 or as his teacher says.
3 Q. (By Mr. Levin) So I am assuming,
4 Mrs. Ramsey, then the answer to my question,
5 which was, can you explain why the change,
6 you can't offer one because you don't recall
7 the change occurring --
8 A. Correct.
9 Q. -- as you sit here today?
10 A. Right.

I don't know if this is true or what it could mean even if it was true. How does any of this help find JonBenét's killer?

Patsy said the paint tote was kept in the Butler's Pantry. She may have come in from outdoors (at some point prior to Dec 26th) and removed the jacket and laid it over the paint tote on the counter before getting around to hanging it up.

She might have come in and "hung" it over the back of a chair where it draped over the paint tote (if it was on the floor). Who knows if the red fibers even came from her jacket and who knows how they might have got there?

The questioning has borne no fruit IMO and they know there is no way for it to bear fruit. The fibers CANNOT match (too common) and if it was their "plan" to frighten one or both of the Ramseys by implying they were building evidence against one or both of them, they failed.

I don't believe the fibers are from Patsy's jacket, however, nor do I believe they are from any item of her clothing. There is a lot of fiber evidence and hair/fur evidence and they need to get off their flat butts and find a REAL explanation for them.

Lin is not being obstructive at all. He is alert to their "game" and protecting his clients.

And it worked - - K&C no longer control the case, we have a special investigator on board, and the DA has issued a ststement that says, "the weight of the evidence is more consistent with a theory that an intruder murdered JonBenet than it is with a theory that Mrs. Ramsey did so."

It sounds like they would not produce the reports because there is information that could be exculpatory to the Ramseys in them. They weren't about to provide them with anything they could use in preparation for a defense. Wouldn't you just love to see those reports?

How many fibers could have gotten transferred, even by the perp into the paint tray? Someone just reaching into it to pick up the paint brush wouldn't drop that many, would they? And where did they find the fibers? Floating around on top---or on the bottom under some of the other stuff in it?

I think there's more to the fiber story....a lot we don't know about how many they found, compared with just some that could have been transfers?

The fibers from my favorite sweater (we don't have much need for real coats here) are everywhere. I am sure they are on my bed where I toss the sweater before folding it and putting it away. I am sure the fibers are in the living room where I sit, the kitchen where I pass through to shut off lights and such on my way out. Those fibers are in the basement because I have gone there to say goodbye to the kids in the den. They are certainly in the car - - on both sides because sometimes I am the passenger. And that means they are also on the other people who have sat in my car - - Lord knows where those fibers end up.

There is nothing strange about those red fibers from Patsy's coat being in Patsy's paint tray.

I don't understand how that points to anyone as the killer - - whether it be family or friend or total stranger - - the killer was in the house and used the stick from the tray. No matter who that was, it seems the fibers were there already.

(It doesn't make sense that patsy went to bed, John followed, she was in her pajamas - - and then she would get up, dress, kill her daughter, then undress and go back to bed. Just makes no sense to me.)

Wayne Williams, the Atlanta Child Killer, was convicted largely on fiber evidence. Criminologist began noticing distinctive yellowish-green nylon fibers on the victims, along with violet acetate fibers. They were able to source the Y-G fibers to carpeting based on cross sections, distintive lobe patterns, coarseness and diameter. However, they could not pinpoint the manufacturer at that time.

After extensive research and investigation, they found the manufacturer to be Wellman Corporation and the nylon product was known as 181B. Wellman sold this form of yarn to West Point Pepperell. WPP used the yarn in its Luxaire line, and wove a carpet called, "English Olive" that was sold in limited quantities in the Atlanta area.

Statistics showed that of the yardage sold in the Atlanta area, only 82 twelve X fifteen rooms could be expected to have this carpet in the entire state of Georgia. For the metro area of Atlanta, the stats fell to 1 in 7,792 housing units having a similar carpet. Given that the carpeting was eleven years old, and many homes would have replaced it, the odds fell further.

In all, twenty-eight different fibers were found on one or more victims and they were consistent with nineteen different items in the Williams home.

"On some victims we found as many as ten fibers that could be directly related to Williams' home or a car he had in his possession at the time of the murder. The chances that those ten fibers could have come from a place other than Williams' home are just about impossible."

"The combination of more than 28 different fiber types would not be considered so significant if they were primarily common fiber types. In fact, there is only 1 light green cotton fiber of the 28 that might be considered common. This cotton fiber was blended with acetate fibers in Williams' bedspread. Light green cotton fibers removed from many victims were not consistent or compared unless they were physically intermingled with violet acetate fibers which were consistent with originating from the bedspread. It should be noted that a combination of cotton and acetate fibers blended together in a single textile material as in the bedspread, is in itself uncommon." Special Agent, Harold Deadmand, FBI Microscopic Analysis Unit

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