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"Cadaver Dogs--Hit or Miss & Info"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-04-03 AT 10:32 PM (EST) by jameson (admin)
 
http://www.modbee.com/reports/laci/story/7604498p-8512354c.html


Scott Peterson's defense attorney McAllister wrote that the cadaver dog's failure to pick up a scent in the boat "destroys the theory on which the prosecution has based its case."

The Modesto Bee has requested that we not republished their stories in their entirety on the forum.


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1. "Another story says maybe they did...."
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   http://www.kxtv10.com/storyfull.asp?id=5561

Cadaver Dog Indicated Laci Peterson's Body was in Husband's Boat


Prosecutors believe Laci Peterson's body was in her husband's warehouse and boat before it was dumped in San Francisco Bay, according to court documents filed late Friday.

According to a report by the dog's handler, the cadaver dog showed "mild interest" in the boat and displayed some interest in containers in the warehouse during a search.

The defense team for Scott Peterson contends that the dog's failure to "alert" on the boat is proof that the body was never in the craft.

However, prosecutors argue that the dog did not fully alert was because it was distracted by the heavy smell of chemicals in the warehouse.

Scott Peterson used the warehouse located on Emerald Avenue as an office and storage area for his job as a fertilizer salesman.

The debate over the cadaver dog started when Peterson's lawyers sought to have wiretap information thrown out. Defense attorneys argued an investigator "purposely omitted" information from the dog handler's report in affidavits to a judge when seeking warrants for the wiretaps.

Stanislaus County Superior Court Judge Al Girolami will decide whether to exclude the wiretaps and information from the dog's search after the preliminary hearing. That hearing was scheduled to begin today but has been postponed to October 28.

Scott Peterson is facing two counts of murder in the killings of his wife and unborn son. A conviction on the charges could result in the death penalty.

Laci Peterson was eight months pregnant when she disappeared on Christmas Eve. Her body and that of her full-term infant son were found in April on the shoreline of San Francisco Bay, near a spot where her husband went fishing on the day of her disappearance.

Story last updated Monday, October 20, 2003 - 1:16 PM


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2. "Cadaver Dog Information:"
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   http://www.orgsites.com/ga/dogs-south/_pgg2.php3

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"Cadaver search dogs can locate human remains in water or buried under ground or rubble. A cadaver dog can locate human remains that are a few hours old to several years old."


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3. "RE: Cadaver Dog Information:"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-03 AT 08:07 AM (EST)
 
http://www.amrg.info/sar_dog_lexicon.htm

Here is a quote from this site:
"water search -- many SAR dogs are trained to locate human remains underwater, working either from shore or from boats. After the dog alerts on the correct location, the body can be brought up by divers or other means."


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4. "RE: Cadaver Dog Information:"
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   http://www.tcsar.org/k9_teams.asp

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"The dogs detect the human scent as it rises through and above the surface. By locating the subjects scent, divers are aided in search and recovery efforts and are subjected to fewer hazards. Water currents, air currents, temperature, and the contour of the bottom all have an effect on the location of scent at the surface."

"Tracking teams can, under certain conditions, follow the path of a subject even though the subject is in a vehicle.


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5. "RE: Cadaver Dog Information:"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-03 AT 08:18 AM (EST)
 
http://www.tssar.com/ts05009.html

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Water Cadaver Dogs- are trained to detect the tiny bubbles of gas given off when a body decays underwater.


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6. "RE: Cadaver Dog Information:"
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   http://www.moregionck9search-rescue.com/search%20and%20rescue%20101.html

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"Water Search - For many search managers, the concept of a water search with dogs sounds like an impossibility. After all, we have always been told that the best way to elude capture by a man tracking team with bloodhounds is to run into the river and hide. But water is not an impenetrable, sterile medium."....... (this part continues...)


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7. "RE: Cadaver Dog Information:"
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http://starbulletin.com/98/11/18/news/story1.html

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"In August, Coyote was able to find the body of someone who had drowned and was 25 feet underwater, Koenig said. "Coyote was in a boat on a harness and not allowed in the water."

For Nike, Williams said her last successful cadaver find was a 3-week-old body buried under 17 feet of soil in a well in San Diego County."


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8. "Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   Dog(s) apparently detected Laci's scent at the warehouse though not on the boat. One dog detected Laci's scent at the launching ramp two days after her disappearance.

Defense attorneys are going to have to argue those dogs don't know their job and just detected something else.


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9. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   Also of interest, is the original owner of the aluminum boat said he had never had it in salt water and it is rumored the prosecution is going to say (or has said)it has determined there was no salt residue found on the boat. Salt residue, IMO, would be pretty easy to spot on an aluminum boat, even if it had been washed.

Maybe Scott didn't use the boat to dump the body. Maybe he just used his truck and drove it to an area of shoreline not easily visible to others. Maybe the boat was just a McGuffin. Maybe they should search the shorelines for the anchors.


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10. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   I think that what they will say is not that the boat hadn't been in salt water, but the fishing equipment or line, never went in the water.

They tested the line and it didn't have salt water on it.


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11. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   >but the fishing equipment or line, never went in the water.
Well, if you are in a boat that is poorly suited for the type of fishing you are supposed to be doing; at a time of day when no fisherman would be after that particular fish; have not purchased any bait; its not strange that the tackle never makes it into the water. We all know what did make it into the water: the wife for whom he had not bought a Christmas present since he knew he would not need one that year.


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12. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   Well, actually, DB, he DID buy her a Gucci wallet, it was reported (or actually, that's what he said in his lie-ridden interview on Good Morning America, so who knows?).... but considering he bought HIMSELF a $1400 boat and said it was a "surprise for Laci" (yeah, it was a surprise for her all right!).... really, what idiot says his new fishing boat is a surprise for his 8-months pregnant wife?? Like she'd be interested in going out on a boat ANYTIME in the forseeable future....


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13. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   I think it absurd for defense lawyers to claim that the failure of a dog to alert to the boat destroys the prosecutions case or is some sort of exculpatory evidence that should have been disclosed in a search warrant application.


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14. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   But then again... all this from a defense team that cries, satanic cult, neo nazi's and then... we know who the real killers are... having seen any of that yet, have we?


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15. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   Nope, but we haven't seen anything (evidence) that connects Scott solidly to Laci's murder from the prosecution, either.

I vote for Scott for "jerk of the year" but that doesn't prove he killed laci.


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16. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   **I think it absurd for defense lawyers to claim that the failure of a dog to alert to the boat destroys the prosecutions case or is some sort of exculpatory evidence that should have been disclosed in a search warrant application.**

Yep, it IS absurd, but it just shows the lengths this defense will go to....and the few straws they are grasping at....

I still want to hear the evidence they claim they have that shows who the "REAL" killers are....


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17. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   Actually the defense does not have to prove anything. They do not have to show any evidence of the 'real' killers. All they have to do is put doubt into the juror's minds.

The burden of responsibility is on the prosecution to show that Scott did kill Laci, beyond a resonable doubt.

If the defense never says another word about the 'real' killers, it does not mean that Scott did or did not kill Laci.


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18. "RE: Warehouse and Boat Ramp"
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   Well, of course that's true all they are required to show is "reasonable doubt", however, this defense team upped the stakes THEMSELVES and claimed that not only will they "prove Scott's innocence, but also show who the real killers are" (paraphrasing)...THEY are the ones who set the bar to that height- so now I want them to meet that bar.

Of course I don't think they actually WILL- they were just blowing a bunch of smoke....but Mark Geragos really irks me when he makes statements like that and then just thinks people will forget that he said it. Like when he said that Winona had receipts for her "purchases".....

I wish he'd just do what he SAYS he'll do... but I don't think he will simply because he CAN'T.


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19. "RE: Cadaver Dogs--Hit or Miss & Info"
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   The Drug-dealing, Satanic Cult of Burglars who killed Laci Peterson smeared substances to interfere with the dog's scent and placed that strand of Laci's hair on the pliers in the boat.


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20. "RE: TRACKING DOGS"
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   I guess they through Laci's body in the bay too.


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